Nancy Kelley's Last Hurrah: The Final Podcast Interview

Kelley finishes as she begun...dreadfully

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I must have been a bad person in a previous life because, for my sins, I continue to listen to the lengthy interviews, podcasts and workshops grounded in ideological activism that most others cannot stomach.

This week, in light of the sudden departure of Nancy Kelley from Stonewall (where she has led as CEO for the past 3 years), I found myself drawn to the Gender Nebulous podcast, in which she appeared to be making her final podcast appearance in role.

Kelley has been keen to leave a positive legacy of her time at the helm of Stonewall. When announcing her departure on Twitter, she published a lengthy thread celebrating all of the ‘achievements’ of Stonewall since her time in role.

I had a go myself at compiling a list of Kelley’s ‘Greatest Hits’ with my own Twitter thread. Although, the ‘achievements’ I selected centred around the fact that Kelley and Stonewall have done more than most others to showcase to the wider public just how divisive and dangerous gender ideology truly is.

Anyway, back to the podcast.

I was intrigued as to what Kelley would want our lasting impression of her to be.

Spoiler alert: Kelley is consistent, if nothing else.

Many of you have probably not heard of the Gender Nebulous podcast before. Neither had I, until just the other day.

It is co-hosted by ‘transwomen’ (i.e., biological males) Vicky Hodges and Freda Wallace. I had never heard of the former. However, I am well acquainted with the latter.

Wallace has been known to engage in potentially libellous smearing of those he disagrees with. This includes, most recently, referring to Kellie-Jay Keen as a “far right nationalist” (which, of course, is not born out in evidence whatsoever). I have had my own run-ins with Wallace. At one point earlier in the year, it looked as if we were going to take part in a debate against one another. However, during planning, Wallace flipped and became threatening towards me. Needless to say, the debate never took place.

Although my focus in listening to the podcast was firmly on Nancy Kelley, it is worth highlighting that Wallace made a number of outrageous statements.

Wallace referred to MP, Miriam Cates’, recent crucial interventions in the House of Commons as akin to the speech of an “Evangelical Christian”. More shocking was when Wallace attempted to draw a comparison between Miriam Cates and the “Westboro Baptist Church” (the religious cult in America that goes around picketing funerals and holding signs saying ‘God Hates Fags’). To try to compare a courageous MP standing up for the safeguarding of children in schools with a hateful, religious cult, is utterly abhorrent.

Wallace went on to criticise Maya Forstater and “her attack dog followers”.

It is notable that Nancy Kelley did not challenge Wallace on these statements whatsoever.

Back to Kelley.

When asked about the disintegration of Stonewall’s ‘Diversity Champions Programme’, Kelley blamed it on a “co-ordinated attack”.

A co-ordinated attack? I had conjured up images of petrol bombs and knives.

Instead, Kelley revealed that the ‘attack’ had come in the form of “Freedom of Information requests”. I wish I were joking. That’s right - Nancy Kelley believes the fact that she received multiple FOI requests at once to be akin to an ‘attack’.

On the topic of free speech and ‘gender critical’ beliefs, Kelley said that: “people are entitled to hold those beliefs, but it doesn’t come without consequences”.

According to Kelley, we can have thoughts, feelings and desires inside our head but cannot speak them, let alone live our lives in accordance with them, without facing consequences.

Ring any bells for anyone? Hint – Stonewall were created to prevent this type of thing from happening in society.

As the interview went on, Kelley’s comments became more and more concerning.